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O(+> wrote:Congratulations, you've just made the argument for closed primaries too and keeping people without a D next to their names out - gotta show some commitment and put that D after your name. <sarcasm>Or maybe we should just poll tax everyone and only allow people showing financial commitments to vote?</sarcasm> This "I like my candidate harder, so you don't count" argument is really stupid.


Old as you are and yet you're still nothing but a snide loser who resorts to sarcasm anytime a narrative you try to paint falls apart. I made a critique of primaries in general (buttressed by ample recent history) and your response was
hyuck hyuck, you loved closed primaries then? hyuck racist

For some reason you're desperate to relitigate the fact that Hillary was a terrible candidate when she lost to a lousy, braindead reality TV star for the office of POTUS. People rather let a known buffoon be president than Hilldog, but yes yes, enthusiasm at the primary level means nothing though!

Voting shouldn't be about who can spare 2-6 hours - if you truly care about expanding the base of a party it should be about one person, one vote - not one person, one whole afternoon, one vote. Primaries better model actual general election procedures.


Primaries have done poorly at picking out candidates, a fact you've yet in anyway have been able to dispute. Just using a bunch of paid organizers, scare TV ads and your buddies at TV networks to lift you into a position you don't belong in, turns out, is actually a really bad way to choose a candidate! Who would've thunk it? Primaries are not elections, they're organized by the parties, not the government. The sole intention is to find what person can best win the election. When Obama dominated the caucuses in '08 people got excited, cynicism fell and the Democratic party (particularly, left liberals) was the largest it had been since the '60s, as opposed to auto Hillary win '16 where people had this awful candidate shoved down the Dems throats because she had rich friends.


That's an argument without evidence - Bill Clinton and Obama managed to win primaries. This is all about trying to rig a system and a self selected voting population for Bernie.

Bill Clinton won his election 25 years ago and there were other factors in that race (Harkin was from Iowa, there was a sizable schism in North/South Democrats). Also, Obama won some primaries, but won ALL of the state caucuses, they were what kept his ticket going. To suggest otherwise is just desperate flailing.
wbeaumo wrote:Clearly, this place is crawling with posters whose unofficial leader is that cockroach P.O.

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OldSnake wrote:Old as you are and yet you're still nothing but a snide loser who resorts to sarcasm anytime a narrative you try to paint falls apart.


Projection is a hell of a drug

Just using a bunch of paid organizers, scare TV ads and your buddies at TV networks to lift you into a position you don't belong in, turns out, is actually a really bad way to choose a candidate! Who would've thunk it? Primaries are not elections, they're organized by the parties, not the government. The sole intention is to find what person can best win the election. When Obama dominated the caucuses in '08 people got excited, cynicism fell and the Democratic party (particularly, left liberals) was the largest it had been since the '60s, as opposed to auto Hillary win '16 where people had this awful candidate shoved down the Dems throats because she had rich friends.


My argument is everyone should get a vote, you're trying to socially engineer an ideological candidate.

BTW they've already effed up by not removing all the superdelegates. I don't know why "reducing them by 60%" is an improvement when the problem was their existence in the first place.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3586490

NYC's Board of Elections will admit it purged more than 200,000 voters from city rolls

New York City's Board of Elections will acknowledge it broke the law and be making serious changes in its practices, according to the proposed settlement of a legal fight over the purge of more than 200,000 voters from city rolls.

After many Brooklyn residents arrived at the polls during last year's presidential primary to learn they were deemed ineligible to vote, the good government group Common Cause New York filed suit. State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney's office joined the litigation.

But rather than slug it out in Brooklyn federal court, the sides have been working on a settlement for months.

Now, a proposed pact slated for filing Wednesday would mandate reforms in the city election agency.

https://ivn.us/2016/05/11/ca-purged-tho ... le-voters/

Evidence Shows “Democratic” California Purged Thousands of Eligible Voters


It's funny how gorf didn't bring this up.

The dnc and hillary stole the election. there were many sketchy things that happened in the enitre primary throughout the country.

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O(+> wrote:
OldSnake wrote:Old as you are and yet you're still nothing but a snide loser who resorts to sarcasm anytime a narrative you try to paint falls apart.


Projection is a hell of a drug


Says snide shit who pops in once a month and can't go more than 3 posts without being a sarcastic cunt to someone

"b-but you'e being sarcastic back at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :("

My argument is everyone should get a vote, you're trying to socially engineer an ideological candidate.


By caucusing? You know that's just voting too, right? Like, I'm not declaring killer robots as our new master overlords, just a voting system with a proven record is better than another that has many recent failures.
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poochies uncle wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/board-elections-admit-purged-200-000-voters-rolls-article-1.3586490

NYC's Board of Elections will admit it purged more than 200,000 voters from city rolls

New York City's Board of Elections will acknowledge it broke the law and be making serious changes in its practices, according to the proposed settlement of a legal fight over the purge of more than 200,000 voters from city rolls.

After many Brooklyn residents arrived at the polls during last year's presidential primary to learn they were deemed ineligible to vote, the good government group Common Cause New York filed suit. State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney's office joined the litigation.

But rather than slug it out in Brooklyn federal court, the sides have been working on a settlement for months.

Now, a proposed pact slated for filing Wednesday would mandate reforms in the city election agency.

https://ivn.us/2016/05/11/ca-purged-tho ... le-voters/

Evidence Shows “Democratic” California Purged Thousands of Eligible Voters


It's funny how gorf didn't bring this up.

The dnc and hillary stole the election. there were many sketchy things that happened in the enitre primary throughout the country.


He knows, we pointed it out during the primaries, he didn’t care

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dn ... 90f05145d2

Basically the Bernie people won (states who don't implement open primaries lose delegates or have to caucus), the insiders who support superdelegates won (they kept 40% of them), anyone who supports direct democracy in the Democratic Party lost. 2020 is being rigged.

The reforms are not yet a done deal, however. The commission’s report now heads to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which will have a 6-month period to amend party rules to enact the reforms, and could theoretically try to dilute the commission’s recommendations (though they would have to run any changes by the commission). The roster of over 400 voting DNC members will also get to vote on the proposals at the next full DNC meeting in the fall of 2018.


Hopefully the rules committee overturns the penalties for closed primaries.

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https://twitter.com/armandodkos/status/939877214706978816

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https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/938980317507047424

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Good thread here :
https://twitter.com/DannyFunaro523/status/939683767190540288

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O(+> wrote:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dnc-unity-reform-commission-2016-presidential-primary_us_5a2c59fbe4b0a290f05145d2

Basically the Bernie people won (states who don't implement open primaries lose delegates or have to caucus), the insiders who support superdelegates won (they kept 40% of them), anyone who supports direct democracy in the Democratic Party lost. 2020 is being rigged.

The reforms are not yet a done deal, however. The commission’s report now heads to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which will have a 6-month period to amend party rules to enact the reforms, and could theoretically try to dilute the commission’s recommendations (though they would have to run any changes by the commission). The roster of over 400 voting DNC members will also get to vote on the proposals at the next full DNC meeting in the fall of 2018.


Hopefully the rules committee overturns the penalties for closed primaries.


waaaaaah it's so hard for politicians and their wealthy allies to buy states now in primaries.... democracy is totally lost!
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OldSnake wrote:
O(+> wrote:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dnc-unity-reform-commission-2016-presidential-primary_us_5a2c59fbe4b0a290f05145d2

Basically the Bernie people won (states who don't implement open primaries lose delegates or have to caucus), the insiders who support superdelegates won (they kept 40% of them), anyone who supports direct democracy in the Democratic Party lost. 2020 is being rigged.

The reforms are not yet a done deal, however. The commission’s report now heads to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which will have a 6-month period to amend party rules to enact the reforms, and could theoretically try to dilute the commission’s recommendations (though they would have to run any changes by the commission). The roster of over 400 voting DNC members will also get to vote on the proposals at the next full DNC meeting in the fall of 2018.


Hopefully the rules committee overturns the penalties for closed primaries.


waaaaaah it's so hard for politicians and their wealthy allies to buy states now in primaries.... democracy is totally lost!

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If you want to stick your nose in this fight, please explain how you buy a primary vs. a caucus.

What I know : California and NY aren't asking for caucuses and they would be ridiculously impractical and would disenfranchise millions, but that is what the Bernie crowd is trying to shove down their throats.

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O(+> wrote:If you want to stick your nose in this fight, please explain how you buy a primary vs. a caucus.

OldSnake wrote:Waaaaaah it's so hard for politicians and their wealthy allies to buy states now in primaries.... democracy is totally lost!

His one sentence makes more sense than your many links.
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Gorf says it's sucks when things could be done right, we gotta play the game as is
now you sound like that guy in the white dress that calls himself doctor

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Just merge this with his hot takes thread.
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